Posts by The Rebel

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Our new life.

by The Rebel in

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our life's are important, and maybe for many this board represents a first in a very important step to beginning a new life?

what is that new life?

it should be a life where we fulfill our wishes, not an organizations wishes, not our parents wishes and not our friends wishes.

The Rebel

Maybe Fairlane, their is no blanket right or wrong way to leave, yet anyway we leave is the right way.

Elton John, ( Funneral for a friend / Love lies bleeding)

The roses in the window box

Have tilted to one side

Everything about this house

Is gonna grow old and die.

Oh it doesn't seem a year ago to this day

You said I'm sorry honey

If I dont change the pace

I can't face another day

I wonder if those changes

Have left a scar on you

Like all the burning hoops of fire

That you and I passed through.

...............................................

Personally my leaving was much easier by attending Watford f.c, matches and having a community of 20,000 to connect with. I also enjoyed my on-line Chess community, because it gave me moves to think about during the day, before I revisited the game made my move and got checkmated.

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Our new life.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

our life's are important, and maybe for many this board represents a first in a very important step to beginning a new life?

what is that new life?

it should be a life where we fulfill our wishes, not an organizations wishes, not our parents wishes and not our friends wishes.

The Rebel

Our life's are important, and maybe for many this board represents a first in a very important step to beginning a new life? What is that new life? It should be a life where we fulfill our wishes, not an organizations wishes, not our parents wishes and not our friends wishes. But our wishes. Maybe for many our wish is still a mystery, but finding that wish, is the highest form of achievement we can give our life. For many particularly the young, this may require rebelling against our parents, not an easy thing to do particularly if we love our parents and they love us.

When we we are at the early stages of our "new life" the days seem short and dark, but the days will slowly get longer and brighter once we find what we really wish to do with our life's. Maybe that should be our first step in our plans to leave the Watchtower.

So do not leave the Watchtower if you only have a poor quality of life outside the organization, remain with dignity, don't be intimidated by their authorative voice, and plan a future where you are fulfilling your own wishes. Remember our life is for our enjoyment, and it should never be given to a heartless organizations, nor even well wishing parents. HOWEVER, neither hould our rebellion from the Watchtower leave us friendless and alone.

I wish everyone good luck in connecting with themselves, and successfully finding their new life.

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Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?

by Esse quam videri in

i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.

my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.

one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.

The Rebel

For clarification in my earlier post I mentioned the holocaust survivors I had met. I did this because we are approaching a time when the generation of holocaust survivors, will have passed away. Therefore our children will never have the privilege to meet a holocaust survivor, sadly they may meet a holocaust denier, so the truth about the Nazi death camps should always be taught.

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Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?

by Esse quam videri in

i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.

my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.

one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.

The Rebel

When I worked at Moss Bros as a child, a few holocaust survivors worked in the tailors dept, they kept themselves to themselves but we're very kind to me, and got me out some messes when I got my fitting measurements wrong.

A teacher at school was a survivor, never a personal tutor of mine, but at meal times I remember she would get angry if kids wasted food. I now understand why.

i have been to a few talks held at libraries given by survivors, always treasured the fact they wanted to teach about intolerance.

I would never deny the holocaust, but like with any subject, critical thinking needs be applied to the books we read. Calel Perechenik, Autobiography " Am I a murdereer" and "The death Brigarde" by Leon Wells, are two books that present irrefutable evidence gas chambers were real. I have never found concrete evidence of the actual figure that were killed in the gas chambers, but I have zero tolerance for those that deny the holocaust happened.

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

The Rebel

Finkelstien, I came back to the site, for a visit, and I am glad people like you are still around...Take care.

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

The Rebel

You may have a point Finkelstein. If I am honest I do not know the meaning of "inalienable"

But my point is a Witness does have the right to choose their own religious beliefs. Sadly such a choice may mean "public condemnation, predjuice and hatred, imposed by a greater recognized established religious institution" Life is not fair, but if we consider ourself adults and are over 21, we have to make tough decisions, and to shun or not is one of those decisions. That's my point.

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

The Rebel

Finkelstein, My answer to your anology, is No. ( or in Watchtower language a " Resounding NO" ) But in my society, the person who offered the child for sacrifice would be in court tomorrow and then held in custody before sentencing. In my society even the solicitors of his religious organization, wont get him out of this mess.

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

The Rebel

Finkelsttein, " I don't see what age of an individual has relevance"

Well I consider myself an adult. I was an adult at 18 . When my son is 18 I consider him an adult and accountable for his actions. I once drove a car drunk at age 21 I think ( Anyway it was a long time ago) Nonetheless I was responsible. I can't blame my upbringing for driving a car drunk. Thankfully no one was hurt and I drove home safely. I married my wife when she was 21. Anyway we celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary in November. We made those 25 years work. Yes I love my wife.

All I am saying is at a certain age, we become adults. I had a tough ride growing up, no real love from my parents, only organizational crap, but a better ride than many.

Do you say that those who drink drive, do so because of culture? upbringing? where do we make the its ok you drunk drove and the consequences are not your fault? That's why I say age has a relevance to shunning.

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

The Rebel

Finkelstein, The Rebel says " I do not honestly believe the governing body force anyone to shun"

The Rebel also says, we are not murderers, or rapists, despite if the G.B asked us to be that. I have learnt ( and already new) shunning is dispicable. But the age of consent to drink alcohol is? The age of concent to drive a car is ? The age to marriage is? With these acts come individual personal decisions, and accountability. Why is the adult age of a witness excused as a shunner? After age 18 or 21 dependent in the country we live in, we are accountable for the decisions we make. Anyone disagree?

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Our first act of rebellion against the Watchtower.

by The Rebel in

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one day at art class, we were told we were to draw a naked woman.

i knew as a witness this would be wrong, but i awaited the lesson in anticipation, it would be the first time i had seen a naked woman.

i remember sitting at my esal waiting ten or fifteen minutes for her to appear.

The Rebel

I think my O.P which is " Our first act of rebellion against the Watchtower" may be going off topic. However i must admit the off topic posts are entertaining.